Vote Here In Defense of our Fathers

[CornFedReb]

These folks are running a pole as to whether Ron Paul was correct in making his remark about how Lincoln should never have fought the "Civil War".

When I voted the forces of light were taking a beating from the forces of darkness. Vote now and set the record straight. Forward this pole to everyone you know that has a right-thinking head on their shoulders. Do it now!

news.aol.com/political-machine/2007/12/26/hot-seat-lincoln-wrong-to-fight-civil-war/

Cornfedreb

[Michael]

there is no doubt he was wrong to fight the war, and before i say this be it noted i am a ron paul supporter.

But, I do not agree with his comments, the north should have just bought / freed the slaves and everything would have been ok - for one, that wouldn't have worked, had we wanted more slaves we would have simply imported more. but MOST IMPORTANTLY the war was not over slavery, it is well known the north had slaves too. It was over state rights, and freedom. And i do not know if it is poor judgement, or lack of correct information, or both. but i feel if ron was going to get into the subject, that (the truth) should be his message. But the way he went about it (the north should have just bought the slaves) is nothing short of foolish. JMHO

but i am still very pro ron paul

[unclebs]

i thought that importing of slaves was banned well befor the war im not sure but i thought i read it somewhere an if so then he would be correct (not sure)

[Michael]

unclebs, you may well be correct and if so it would make a little more sense.

[CornFedReb]

Long before the war started and before the Emancipation Proclamation of 1863 it was well known that radical elements in the North were moving to abolish slavery and make voting citizens of the Negros.

Jefferson Davis knew this and made mention of it in his farewell speech to Congress. If this wasn't an important issue Davis wouldn't have mentioned of it. Though the war might not have been entirely about "slavery" the only state right Davis alluded to in his speech was the right of a state to determine who its citizens were. And, of course, if slavery were abolished those slaves would not just disappear. They would be made instant citizens. Obviously, the South didn't want this. The Texas ordinance of secession makes no bones about it and spells it out clearly.

Long before South Carolina fired on Ft. Sumter the war had been going on for about 12 years in Missouri, Kansas and surrounding areas over whether slave owners could bring their slaves into the territories. The US governement was on its way to abolishing slavery and it started in the new territories. Southerners knew this and knew where it was all heading.

Regardless of all the many quotes made by Abraham Lincoln about slavery there were forces at work more powerful than Lincoln who were going to abolish slavery and make citizens of Negros.

But, you're right, Ron Paul didn't have any business saying that the government could have payed for the slaves. That's like telling a farmer we're going to buy up all your tractors. And then what happens?

But the bottom line of the pole is, was Ron Paul right in saying "Lincoln was wrong in invading the South?" And the answer is obviously "Yes". We can see from the many Blue States that those people would gladly use force on us again as they believe it was right the first time.

Cornfedreb

admin said:

there is no doubt he was wrong to fight the war, and before i say this be it noted i am a ron paul supporter.

But, I do not agree with his comments, the north should have just bought / freed the slaves and everything would have been ok - for one, that wouldn't have worked, had we wanted more slaves we would have simply imported more. but MOST IMPORTANTLY the war was not over slavery, it is well known the north had slaves too. It was over state rights, and freedom. And i do not know if it is poor judgement, or lack of correct information, or both. but i feel if ron was going to get into the subject, that (the truth) should be his message. But the way he went about it (the north should have just bought the slaves) is nothing short of foolish. JMHO

but i am still very pro ron paul

[IRONCLAD]

I been watching this from day one and at day one, there was only two states saying they agreed with Ron Paul.

Today, it's 30 states and a few more turning. I can't believe Florida is not believing.....but, there are a lot of yankee's in Florida.

Here is a video of a friend of mine who did a video in protest of Lincoln in Richmond.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_9gfDjVl60

I'm the youngest person on this video.
The Spanish person is a reenactor like us and he fights both Union and Confederate. Even though he loves Lincoln and a Liberal, he was willing to help us out in this video.

[IRONCLAD]

admin said:

there is no doubt he was wrong to fight the war, and before i say this be it noted i am a ron paul supporter.

(the north should have just bought the slaves) is nothing short of foolish. JMHO

but i am still very pro ron paul

I believe Ron Paul was talking about Lincoln being wrong about going to war due to not having a declaration of war.

Though I didn't see the interview with Ron Paul, but following what Ron Paul has said in the past about over seas.... I think that's what he was talking about.

I do agree the war wasa not about Slavery, it was over the greed of Southern money being lost to help support the lazy union and much more.

[unclebs]

bingo good call luck